Friday, November 2, 2012

Carradice City Folder M (Brompton) Long-Term Review

I have been absent from my writings in this space for waaaaaayyy too long. I have found that I generate content more easily via Instagram and the obligatory FB. However, I am lacking the therapeutic nature of compiling my cycling-related thoughts and projects in written form. 

I have been a Brompton owner since mid-2010, and I have ridden the bike at every opportunity. My commute along the lakeshore path in Madison, WI while I studied my MBA, grocery runs, running the kids to/from school, and, more recently, my daily commute to work in Minneapolis are a few of my Brompton-based activities. Not to mention my racing accolades (insert jest). On most of my adventures, a friendly duck canvas enclosure parts the wind for the Brompton and its humble rider to pass through. I am, of course, speaking of the Carradice City Folder M bag, made specifically for M-type Bromptons.

Overall, I have been pleased with the bag's ability to carry a respectable quantity of gear, including a laptop in the suspended laptop sleeve. By suspended, I mean the sleeve holds the laptop off the bottom of the bag, so when the 16-1 3/8" wheels navigate potholes the impact to the laptop is reduced. I typically carry my Hulk lunchbox, Shower's Pass rain jacket, Rainlegs, and a few tools with room to spare. I'll take a minute to show you around the bag and to highlight some of the issues I've had.

Green Duck Canvas (cotton). The main straps are opened with plastic buckles semi-hidden behind traditional buckles to adjust length. Carry handle on top and shoulder strap. 

The front of the bag has an open pocket directly behind the zippered pocket you see in front.  

The back of the bag, as you can see, is designed very nicely around the Brompton  bag frame. The rear pockets here fasten with the traditional buckles, making access cumbersome. I usually put a water bottle, keys, a camera, a rag, or other smaller necessities. I would prefer turnbuckle clasps like these from Acorn

Reflective logo diamond on each side. 

Once the top flap is open, the drawstring allows for various volumes of cargo. I have even used a nylon buckle strap on the wood dowel to hang a handled object, say, a lunchbox. The dowel us the support for the carry handle (more on this later). 

The drawstring loosened. 

The suspended laptop sleeve with what are supposed to be cable/accessory pouches. I have found them much to small to be of use to carry a charger. 

The carry handle attaches to the wood dowel with a small screw, and is reinforced by stitching to the canvas (or vice versa?) Both the screw and stitching have failed, and have led me to rarely use this carry handle. 

The front-facing reflective logo lost its adhesion some time ago. You can see the strange quality of the leather and stitching on the logo backing. Lackluster details for a $200+ bag, in my opinion. 

More detail on the leather and stitching. 

These were the stripped out holes from the carry handle screw. I had to rotate the dowel and reinsert the screws.

One of the shoulder strap rivets pulled through as well.

Since the top-flap carry handle is less sturdy than I would like, I often find myself using the Brompton frame to carry the bag. I also hang my helmet through this loop when I carry the bike into work and throw the bag over my shoulder. However, the corrugated plastic structure inside the bag prevent any practical use of this handle. I had to devise a solution. 

Park Tool knife

A couple cuts should do the trick. 

Now the handle is useful. 


I enjoy the bag, in spite of its shortcomings. Mostly because it is designed specifically for my Brompton, and also because it carries a decent quantity of cargo. Do I recommend it? Perhaps study the shortfalls I've highlighted and make the judgment yourself and contact Calhoun Cycle, Wallingford Bike, Peter White, or perhaps Carradice directly. Happy trails!

13 comments:

  1. Hi Spencer, thx for your useful review. I've been using a Touring Pannier (pre-2010 model) for almost four yrs. and I'm quite happy with it. However, I seldom use it at full capacity, and I'm considering purchasing either a C Bag or the Carradice City Folding M. The latter seems to have more capacity than the C, and looks pretty gorgeous, but those issues you point out are a little bit discouraging. I wonder if you can tell me a couple of additional things: a) that cotton fabric is supposed to be waterproof. Is that strictly true? I mean, no need of a rain cover anymore? and b) In case you need to hold a bulky cloth like a thick polar fleece under the top flap and over the main body, can you actually use the metal buckles instead of the plastic ones, or can the latter be adjusted for a higher setup? THX from Spain

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  2. Thanks for the read! First, the cotton fabric is definitely water RESISTANT as opposed to waterPROOF. I've been in some fairly heavy rain and the fabric soaks through, especially at the points that have stitching and/or rivets. It does do a great job, however. I often load up the bag as you suggest with a jacket or other cargo, and the buckles do indeed adjust the height for the buckles to then fasten. I usually have the buckles adjusted to the shortest setting for normal cargo, since the flap tends to turn into a sail if the straps are too long. Hope this helps!

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  3. Thanks again, it's black and white. If you had the mood and the time I'd like to know how much does it weigh, the bag with the frame. Carradice reports 2.8 pounds for the City Folder M but I guess that's without the frame. My Touring Pannier (frame included) weighs about 1500 Kg (~3.3 pounds).

    BTW I looked around your blog... amazing bikes to ride over the snow or the frozen lakes... We here in Zaragoza are inured to strong winds (40 mph and more, 40 F) which make riding a Brompton with a front pannier quite an experience, but I guess there in your neck of the woods winter riding is even harder!

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  4. Hi Spencer, I am now owner of a carradice city folder since two years. Its quality is low and in spite of it, I use it every day, because its speedily handling with my brompton is the main advantage. In the using time all leatherstrap have been refixed several times. The screws failed after a fews week of using. I put longer bolt through the wooden part and fixed it with nuts at the other side then. One of the hookes made of plastic, which link the bag to the belt, broke as I made a jump from a step. I replaced it with parts of metal. The zip at the front side failed after a year of daily using. Now at last the outside pockets getting holes but the tag withe the brand "carradice nelson england" is still firmely attached at the front side.

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  5. Hi,

    Thanks for the post. I bought the Carradice city folder based on your review. Perhaps Carradice has also read the review, because I have noticed a few improvements:

    1) The reflective stickers have been replaced with what looks like some kind of reflective paint. They no longer feature the Carradice logo. Although I am not exactly sure how the reflective material was applied, it does not look like it can come off as easily.

    2) The top handle is now secured by two screws instead of one.

    3) The laptop compartment is different: it now looks like a simple laptop sleeve with a flap.

    Apart from the fact that the bag features a somewhat unusual combination of modern and traditional materials, it's a wonderful product. Certainly better (looking) than Brompton luggage and at a fraction of the cost. I am not sure how I feel about the corrugated plastic, but I guess it has the advantage of being relatively sturdy yet light.

    Thanks again for the review.

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    1. Excellent to hear of the updates to the bag design. It is indeed well-designed with the Brompton style in mind. Enjoy!

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  6. Sorry, actually #2 is wrong. The top handle has not changed.

    Also, the Carradice logo is no longer metal. It is embossed directly on the leather rectangle.

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  7. Thanks for this review Spencer. I've just bought the Carradice bag, and as Elie says it does seem that carradice have taken some notice of this or other reviews. Each metal ring that the top handle is attached to on mine is held now by a leather strap over, rather than a loop as in your picture, with a screw and sewing each side of the ring, so presumably twice as strong. After reading your review I think I might replace that screw with a bolt and nut through the dowel as someone suggests above. Also the shoulder strap attachment looks much stronger, with the leather loop attached to a larger leather plate, but again after reading your review I will still be cautious about the strength of this. The reflective logo is somehow printed on rather than stuck as Elie has noted.

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    1. Good to hear that the bag design has improved a bit. Enjoy the bag!

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  8. I've had my Carradice City Folder M since early 2010. It's been in almost daily use, commuting in and out of London, since then. I've had none of the problems you've outlined here. I use the top strap a lot. The bag is usually comfortably full (full change of clothes, lunch, wodges of papers sometimes files and books, Kindle, MP3 player, plus handbag). Maybe I'm just lucky!

    I bought an S-type Brompton a little over a year ago, used the City Folder M with that for a while until I bought the S-specific Carradice Stockport (see http://velovoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preview-carradice-stockport-city-folder.html). I need to do a long-term review on the Stockport at some point soon!

    I lent the City Folder M to a friend with an M-type Brompton - it continues to serve her well.

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    1. Rebecca - I'm glad to hear that your bag is holding up well! Your Stockport bag looks lovely indeed. Thank you for the read!

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  9. Just to let anyone know whos loking to buy a carridice city folder, just recived mine after reading this review, they have incresed the number of screws on the handle and introduced a nice leather strap instead of the black plastic and they have also re designed the fixings where the shouolder strap attatches and it looks much more sturdy!

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  10. Oh and also they have done the same cut out for the handle as well, like you!

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